Which rebel groups are fighting in Syria's eastern Ghouta?

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The eastern Ghouta suburb is one of the last remaining areas of rebel control in Syria. These rebels demand the fall of President Bashar al-Assad's government. There are a total of 400,000 residents in eastern Ghouta and rebel-controlled areas amount to about 100 square kilometers (40 square miles).

Here are the main rebel groups, many (all) with Islamist  (radical takfiri) leanings, operating in the suburb:

1. Jaysh al-Islam:
The Jaysh al-Islam, or Army of Islam, coalition is centered in the Damascus area and eastern Ghouta. It aims to replace the Assad government with a Syria based on Sharia, or Islamic law. The group's founder, Zahran Aloush, recruited many of its members and expanded its arsenal of military equipment. He was assassinated by the Syrian military in a 2015 airstrike. The group is now headed by Essam al-Buwaydhani. It is the largest rebel faction in the eastern Ghouta region, with an estimated 10-15,000 members. The organization is also said to have received money from Saudi Arabia, but has denied those claims.

2. Faylaq al-Rahman:
The Faylaq al-Rahman organization, or al-Rahman Legion, is also based in eastern Ghouta and is allied with Qatar. It is also connected to the Free Syrian Army, one of the biggest rebel coalitions formed in 2011. The organization describes itself as "a revolutionary military entity aiming for the downfall of the Syrian regime," but it does not seek to turn Syria into an Islamic state. The group possesses American BGM-71 TOW anti-tank missiles. The organization is directly opposed to Jaysh al-Islam and has allied with Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham.

3. Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham (formerly Jabhat al-Nusra)

The Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham organization, or Organization for the Liberation of the Levant, is also known as the covert Syrian version of al Qaeda. It is led by Hasim al-Sheikh, also know as Abu Jabr, and is based in the northwestern city of Idlib. The organization believes in using violence to implement an ultraconservative religious doctrine.

4. Harakat Nour al-Din al-Zenki movement:
The Harakat al-Din al-Zenki, or the Nour al-Din al-Zenki Movement, is a Sunni Islamist group based in Aleppo. In June 2016, a video of the group circulated showing its members beheading a 15-year-old boy. The video received obvious attention, not only due to the cruelness of the action but also the fact that during that time the United States had financially backed the organization.

5. Harakat Ahrar al-Sham al-Islamiyya  (
aka, Ahrar al-Sham): The Harakat Ahrar al-Sham al-Islamiyya, or Islamic Movement of the Free Men of the Levant, aims to also form an Islamic state in Syria based on Sharia. It's membership is in the tens of thousands and merged with the Nour al-Din al-Zenki movement on February 18, 2018. The group has tanks, mobile artillery and anti-guided missiles it procured from its victories against the Syrian army. Its main rival is Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham. The organization has allegedly received money from donors in Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey and is opposed by Syria, Iran and Russia.


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3) Tahrir al-Sham: Al-Qaeda's latest incarnation in Syria

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5) The Good and Bad of Syria’s Ahrar al-Sham
 (In this article the writers are advising Obama's US Government to ally with al-Qaeda groups in Syria to use them as foot soldiers) 
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Syrian War for Dummies - Three Versions

Chris Kanthan
Fri, 16 Feb 2018 
Although the Syrian war is almost over, many Americans still don't understand what transpired over the last seven years, because the mainstream narrative has been an embarrassing mix of propaganda, half-truths and lies. Three versions of the conflict are presented here and the reader can choose the one that makes the most sense to them. 
Disney Version

Once upon a time, a country called Syria was ruled by a ruthless dictator named Bashar Al-Assad. He was a cruel man who gassed his own people. His actions caused a civil war in Syria. America and Europe tried their best to stop the devastating civil war, and even generously accepted many Syrian refugees. Eventually America went to Syria, defeated ISIS, and is now trying to restore stability.

This above version is quite popular among many Americans and Europeans and the Western mainstream media.

High School Version

Oppressed by Assad's brutal regime, the Syrian people longed for freedom and democracy. One day, people started protesting in a small city. In response, Assad killed many peaceful protesters. However, this backfired and the entire country was engulfed in protests. Soon a civil war broke out, which led to millions of refugees fleeing Syria.

America was appalled and, for humanitarian reasons, decided to help the Syrians who were fighting Assad. When Assad gassed his own people, America intervened and removed all his chemical weapons. Unfortunately, Assad managed to gas innocent civilians again after a few years. Then, America went to Syria, defeated ISIS, and is now trying to restore stability.

The above version is presented in most of the global mainstream media.

College Version

Simply put, the Syrian "civil war" is an illegal, proxy war waged against Syria. In defiance of international laws, many countries have been sending weapons and terrorist mercenaries into Syria for the last seven years (if you want to gain a deeper understanding of who wants to topple Assad and why, please read my article: "Chaos in Syria: Part 1 - Three Motives and Seven Countries").


In early 2011, US/UK special forces used Jordan's military base to organize protests against Assad in a border town called Daraa. With Muslim Brotherhood's organizational skills and Saudi Arabia's deep pockets, violent protests spread thru Syria. Soon, an organized and armed militia known as Free Syrian Army (FSA) was created by the outsiders.

After the fall of Gaddafi in late 2011, the US State Department and US intelligence agencies organized the shipment of tons of deadly weapons such as Stinger missiles and Sarin gas from destroyed Libya to Syria, via Turkey. Even with all this help, the American proxy force known as the FSA couldn't win the war. At this point, NATO and Neocons wanted to bomb Syria, but Russia and China vetoed the motion in the UN, so the imperial war by deception moved on to the next phase.


In early 2012, someone dialed Al Qaeda (referred to as AQ or AQI in government documents). Zawahiri, AQ's top leader, called for help and experienced Islamic terrorists from all over the world rushed into Syria by way of Saudi Arabia's international jihadist recruitment agency. Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, received an email from her chief adviser, saying that "Al Qaeda is on our side" .

Al Qaeda rebranded itself as Al Nusra, and fearsome weapons such as grenade launchers, mortars, tanks and anti-tank missiles started pouring into Syria via Turkey and Jordan.
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The CIA spent $100,000 to train each rebel. Billions of US taxpayers dollars were wasted once again on supporting the same terrorist groups that attacked the USA on 911 .

Watching the western media, the average person had no idea that we were supporting Al Qaeda or how heavily armed these "rebels" were.

Western media and politicians also stuck to their talking points and referred to all these fighters as "moderate rebels." However, many of them are ruthless Islamists who use suicide bombers, behead even children, and commit unspeakable atrocities. They are also religious fanatics who seek out and kill Christians and Shiites. I describe this in detail in my book, Deconstructing the Syrian War.

A Pentagon memo warned against this reckless policy and precisely predicted the rise of groups such as ISIS. Obviously the memo was ignored (or even happily accepted) by the White House and other officials.

2012 was also the year when the refugee crisis became a serious international problem. By the end of the year, almost 200,000 people had fled Syria. In the coming years, it would swell to five million.


When FSA and AQ failed to oust Assad, the powers-to-be started recruiting Sunni extremists in Iraq. In April 2013, ISIS was officially created. In the next year, these barbaric mercenaries would capture much of eastern Syria.
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This was also the year when Obama's red-line was crossed - the use of chemical weapons by Assad. UN experts who went to the site soon found that it was actually the rebels who had likely used the chemical weapons. The report was quickly drowned by the western propaganda machine.

2014 - 2016

The next two years were just repetitions of the daily brutality of war, with ISIS making huge gains in the east. Whenever the rebels started to lose, either more weapons would flow in, or Israel would fly into Syria and bomb the Syrian army.

In late 2015, the Syrian government sought Russia's help. Within a month, the Russian air force weakened ISIS by destroying most of the oil tankers that ISIS was using to transport oil to Turkey. By the end of 2016, the Syrian government had the upper hand - Aleppo was liberated from Al Qaeda, and ISIS was running out of cash and morale.
Assad visits Western countries

2017 was turning out to be a great year for Assad. By March, ISIS had lost over three hundred towns to the Syrian army.

Al Qaeda was facing a similar demise, losing one big city after another.

Furthermore, Trump had stopped arming the rebels in February. In late March, Trump and Tillerson dropped the slogan "Assad must go".

Finally, Assad was getting ready for a EU-UN peace conference on April 4-5.

This was the moment - when events had turned in favor of the Syrian government - that the alleged chemical attack occurred in an area controlled by the rebels. Plus it happened on the very day that the peace conference began.

Without any investigation, within an hour after the pictures and videos came out, Western warmongers declared that Assad was responsible. No independent doctors or experts were sent to the site. Anyone who took the time to critically analyze the situation could see that the chemical attack was was either a hoax or a false flag attack.


After Russia had effectively defeated ISIS, the US didn't just leave Syria, since the real goal is to Balkanize Syria and prepare for a war against Iran. Thus the globalists are now trying to use Kurds as a proxy tool in this effort. It's likely that the US will have military bases in Syria for a long time. As long as the US government can keep borrowing money, such wild adventures will continue.

In their quest for hegemonic geopolitical goals, the elites are sowing more chaos around the world and irreparably damaging the western moral compass. The global mafia's rule seems to be this: if you play by our rules, we will be nice to you. If you don't...

Those are the three versions of the Syrian civil war. Which one will Americans choose to believe?

P.S. Here are some links to read if you would like to gain a Ph.D. version of the Syrian conflict:

a. 1956: CIA plot to overthrow the Syrian government

b. 1983: CIA document on plans to obliterate Syria to enable an oil pipeline

c. 1986: CIA document on how to use Muslim Brotherhood to fuel a sectarian (Sunni v. Shiite) civil war in Syria

d. 2001: Wesley Clark told that USA will take out 7 countries in 5 years (Libya, Syria etc.)

e. 2005: CNN Interview. Christiane Amanpour tells Assad that the western governments are plotting a regime change in Syria

f. 2006: State Dept cable: Detailed discussion of various strategies to enable regime change in Syria

g. 2009: State Dept Email: Saudi Arabia is worried that a Shiite crescent is turning into a full moon (referring to a possible Iran-Iraq-Syria-Lebanon coalition)

h. 2009: State Dept Cable: Saudi Arabia is the #1 source of funding of terrorism worldwide

i. 2012 State Dept Email: Conquest of Syria means a weakened Iran and this is important for Israel

j. 2012: State Dept Email: Use Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey to arm/train rebels

k. 2014: Hillary Clinton admits in an email that Saudi Arabia and Qatar fund ISIS

l. 2015: Joe Biden says Saudi Arabia and Qatar arming/funding Al Qaeda in Syria

m. 2016: John Kerry in a leaked audio recording explains how the US trained/armed the opposition and was hoping to use ISIS to force Assad into negotiation

n. Israel's Mossad chief admits helping Al Qaeda and says that it's because Al Qaeda never attacks Israel

Chris Kanthan is the author of a new book, Deconstructing the Syrian war. Chris lives in the San Francisco Bay Area, has traveled to 35 countries, and writes about world affairs, politics, economy and health. His other book is Deconstructing Monsanto.. Follow him on Twitter: @GMOChannel

The illusion of the eradication of Daesh

13 FEBRUARY 2018  | by Thierry Meyssan

The fall of the Caliphate and the scattering of the jihadists of Daesh open a new phase for recycling these troops. Perceived, according to each case, either as fanatical combatants or common psychopaths hiding behind an ideology, they are being courted by the States and multinationals who once employed them indirectly. Thierry Meyssan illustrates the setting for their second chance and issues a warning in face of the complacency shown by the Western powers concerning Daesh’s ideology – which in fact is the ideology of the Muslim Brotherhood.

While all the world’s leaders are wondering about rebuilding Iraq and Syria after the fall of Daesh, there remain many other questions which are far more complex, even though they are not usually raised in public.

At the end of all ideological wars, like the religious wars of the 16th century in Europe or the Second World War in the 20th century, the question is raised about the future of the defeated soldiers. Many of them have committed atrocious crimes, and it does not seem possible to re-integrate them into the society of the victors.

Since the successive falls of Mosul, Rakka, Deir ez-Zor and Boukamal, the Caliphate no longer has its own territory. The end of the Islamic State followed the abandon by the United States of the « Sunnistan » project intended to cut the Silk Road in Iraq and Syria (according to the Robin Wright plan [1]. This was censored by the intervention of President Trump in May 2017). Finally, the jihadists were defeated by the Iraqi and Syrian armies.

For three years, the global anti-Daesh Coalition alternated ineffective bombing raids with the delivery of weapons to the jihadists, as the Iraqi Parliament revealed at length. It only played a decisive role during the battle for Mosul, when it attempted to exterminate the surviving jihadists by completely destroying the city.

In 2015, the Caliphate numbered 240,000 combatants:
40,000 jihadists, members of Daesh as such.
80,000 members of the Order of Naqshbandis, ex-soldiers of the Iraqi army fired by Paul Bremer.
120,000 men from the Sunni tribes of Western Iraq, descendants of the Yemenite combatants.

There is no way of evaluating how many of these were killed in combat, or how many new jihadists were brought in during the war. Whatever the various declarations, we do not know how many they are today, and we can only refer to older numbers for an approximate estimation.

If the 200,000 Iraqis who joined Daesh are now integrated in the Iraqi Sunni population, what can be done about the 40,000 hardened criminals who are the foreign jihadists?

Fighting the Caliphate

For comparison, at the end of the Second World War, while the Wermacht (that is to say the German army) was demobilised without any trouble, what could be done with the SS (the troops of the Nazi movement which was recognised as a criminal organisation by the Nuremberg trials)? They numbered close to 900 000, and there was obviously no question of killing them, or even holding them for trial. Many of them went home to be forgotten. The officers were recuperated en masse by the United States to fight the USSR, either by sabotaging the Soviet economy, or by setting up anti-communist régimes all over the « free world » (sic). Some of them refused the peace and continued the war for two more years – these were the « lone wolves », an expression that is being currently re-used.

The recycling of the SS was organised by the CIA’s first director, Allen Dulles, and his brother, Secretary of State John Foster Dulles. No-one was aware of this until the US Congress discovered the size and the consequences of this operation. The Church and Nedzi-Pike Commissions, as well as the United States President’s Commission on CIA Activities within the United States, unequivocably established the facts as from 1975. President Jimmy Carter decided to end the programme, while Admiral Stansfield Turner purged the CIA.

International public opinion has retained that for almost thirty years, the United States was a crypto-dictatorship under which hundreds of thousands of citizens were forbidden professional activity, and millions of others were spied on. However, it has completely forgotten that countries as different as Saudi Arabia, Bolivia, South Korea, Guatemala, Iran, the Philippines and Taïwan were governed by cruel dictatorships which relied upon the SS recycled by the CIA [2]. Programmes of mental manipulation, experiments with drugs and torture schools are sometimes mentioned separately, although they make up a coherent ensemble prolonging « Nazi science » (sic).

We therefore need to think about a solution for the jihadist problem in order to avoid reproducing this type of error, and imposing upon our children the consequences of the crimes of Daesh.

Certainly, the current situation is different from that of the Second World War. On one hand, it is easier since the jihadists are far less numerous than were the SS. On the other, it is more complex, because Adolf Hitler was beaten, while the commanders of the jihadists were not.

1. We can forget about those who fled alone. They are a problem for the police, little more.

2. Others, in groups, are attempting to appropriate new territories of which they will be the bosses, either close to the ex-Caliphate or in their own countries. But they no longer seem to be participating in a global strategy.

About 200 of them have withdrawn to the province of Idleb, controlled by Al-Qaïda. There they are fighting various insurgent groups.

Some of them moved to Africa. They are present in the Sinaï, where they are fighting against the Egypto-Israëli military alliance [3]; in Libya, where they are holding Tripolitania; and in Nigeria, where they confront the Chado-Nigerian alliance.

3. Most of Daesh’s jihadists have split into two groups. The United States (via the Kurdish anarchists) and Turkey treat them as professional combatants and offer them a future as mercenaries.

a) The first group was recuperated by Brett McGurk and General Joseph Votel to form half of a Frontier Protection Force stationed in Syria. But since this project was censored by General Jim Mattis, the Force has not been constituted. These men are camped in Kasham, at the exit from the US military base [4].

Last week, the Democratic Union Party (PYD), in other words the Syrian Kurdish anarchist party, offered them an amnesty and began to incorporate them into its militia, the People’s Protection Units (YPG). They were denounced before the Security Council by Russian ambassador Vassily Nebenzia. Since the YPG is officially armed and supervised by the US military, these jihadists are now de facto under the command of the Pentagon, even though they are registered as a Frontier Protection Force.

b) The second group was recycled by Recep Tayyip Erdoğan under the flag of the Free Syrian Army (FSA). Presented in 2011 by the Atlantist Press as having been created by deserters from the Syrian Arab Army, the FSA was in fact constituted by Libyan combatants from Al-Qaïda under the supervision of the French military [5]. Dispersed twice, it was again reconstituted, and is fighting alongside the Turkish army in Afrin.

The split within the ranks of the jihadists between pro-US and pro-Turks reflects the disintegration of the Turko-US alliance.

• Brett McGurk was part of the team of John Negroponte and Donald Rumsfeld, who imagined and organised the Islamic Emirate in Iraq (future Daesh) in order to transform the unanimity of the anti-US Resistance into a Sunni-Shia civil war.

• At the beginning of his political career, when he was one of the leaders of the Millî Görüş, an Iraqi-German-Turkish Islamist organisation created by Ezzat Ibrahim al-Duri (Grand Master of the Iraqi Order of the Naqshbandis) and Necmettin Erbakan (Turkey), Recep Tayyip Erdoğan supervised the supply of arms to the Chechen jihadists fighting Russia. Very much later, when he was Prime Minister, he helped the jihadists in their struggle against the Syrian Arab Republic, and gave his unreserved support to Daesh [6].

In any case, the distribution of the jihadists seems to be a function of opportunity and ethnic origins. For example, Abdullah Sufuni, the ex-Emir of Aleppo, took the side of the US in revenge for the losses incurred during the Turkish invasion of Iraq. The Caucasian jihadists, on the other hand, took sides with Turkey because they have entertained close relations with Ankara for thirty years.

4. Although the Pentagon has abandoned the idea of creating a State to cut the communications route linking the Mediterranean to Iran and China, it has not abandoned Admiral Arthur Cebrowski’s strategy aimed at the destruction of the societies and States of the « non-globalised world » [7]. Some of Daesh’s combatants have thus been recuperated in order to pursue this plan, acting as auxiliary Special Forces.

In this context, the jihadists have been moved by the US armies to the Indian sub-continent, to Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India, to Bangladesh and Myanmar (but not Sri Lanka), as was revealed by Zamir Kabulov, Vladimir Putin’s special envoy to Afghanistan.

The Iranian chief of staff, General Mohammad Baqeri, confirmed that the US Air Force had transferred some of the members of Daesh from Iraq and Syria to Afghanistan. Iranian President Sheikh Hassan Rohani, made telephone contact with his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, to confirm this information. Then, speaking to the Press, he revealed that he had proposed the aid of Iran to Afghanistan in their fight against the pro-US jihadists of Daesh.

According to Pakistani Senator Rehman Malik, India may be organising a collaboration between the jihadists and the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), the militia of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s Hindu party. The goal is to penetrate the Muslim insurgents from Cashmere in order to exterminate them. The RSS, responsible for the assassination of Mahatma Gandhi, has a long tradition of extreme violence. Rehman Malik is not a simple Senator, he was nominated as head of counter-espionage by Benazir Bhutto, and then became Pakistan’s Minister for the Interior. He has recently launched a procedure for the UNO to bring this affair before the International Criminal Court, and for Narendra Modi to be brought to trial.

The UNO High Commissioner for Human Rights, Zeid Ra’ad Al Hussein, declared last week that the crisis concerning the Rohingyas in Myanmar [8] could lead to a regional conflict. If this were to be the case, the conflict would begin first of all in Bangladesh and Malaysia, where many refugees live.

A few hundred other jihadists returned to Latin America. Mainly from Trinidad and Tobago, they attempted to organise a huge terrorist attack during the carnival of 13 and 14 February, but were arrested five days earlier. The mission of this commando was to revive the Islamist tradition of the Caribean island, on the model of the failed coup d’Etat of July 1990. Then they planned to profit from the disorder created by the Venezuelian extreme-right wing in order to plunge the country into a war comparable to the conflict in Syria.

Fighting the ideology of the Caliphate

If, at the end of the Second World War, the Western powers failed with the reinsertion of the ex-SS, they succeeded in eradicating their ideology almost everywhere - Nazism. This ideology was only kept alive by the SS recycled into the stay-behind networks tasked with sabotaging the Soviet economy, in the Baltic countries and in Ukraine, where it is resurfacing today.

At their creation, the United Nations were above all an international coordination for denazification and the fight against war propaganda. All the member States forbade Nazi symbols and publications. The Nazi party, the NSDAP, was dissolved and war propaganda was censored. Yet no-one, with the exception of the Russian Federation and its allies, seem to be ready to combat the ideology of political Islam nor its party - the Muslim Brotherhood.

As an example, France has at its disposal an institution tasked with representing the Muslims in the country. It has managed to elect two representatives of the Brotherhood and has taken the institution’s presidency from an Algerian administrator and handed it to a member of the Turkish Millî Görüş. Simultaneously, it organised a world Press campaign against Tariq Ramadan, the grandson of the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood, currently under investigation in a criminal affair. The idea is to personalise the debate, in order to eliminate this troublesome symbol, but without confronting the Brotherhood’s ideology.

The Society of the Muslim Brothers had already been dissolved at the end of the Second World War, as a result of the political assassinations it had perpetrated in Egypt, and the intelligence it had supplied to Nazi Germany. But nothing was done about their ideology. Worse, the British MI6 took advantage of the incarceration of its principal leaders to reorganise the Brotherhood in its own image. The situation has not changed. After the disastrous episode of Mohammed Morsi, Egypt once again banned the Brotherhood, but President Abdel Fattah al-Sissi, intent on pacifying his country, allowed his wife to wear the hijab (the veil has no connection with Islam, and only appeared with the Caliphs of Baghdad).

The Iraqis and the Syrians have just overthrown the Daesh Caliphate, but the battle is long way from being over. Some of the jihadists continue their mission, while their ideology remains unchanged. Once again, it is very difficult for the Western powers to let go of an instrument which is so useful for their strategy.

Thierry Meyssan

Said Hilal Alcharifi

[1] “Imagining a Remapped Middle East”, Robin Wright, The New York Times Sunday Review, September 8, 2013.

[2] Inside the League, Scott & Jon Lee Anderson, Dodd Mead & Company, 1986. « La Ligue anti-communiste mondiale, une internationale du crime», par Thierry Meyssan, Réseau Voltaire, 12 mai 2004.

[3] “Secret Alliance : Israel Carries Out Airstrikes in Egypt, With Cairo’s O.K.”, David D. Kirkpatrick, The New York Times, February 3, 2018.

[4] “US secrets, lies and confusion in the North of Syria”, by Thierry Meyssan, Translation Pete Kimberley, Al-Watan (Syria) , Voltaire Network, 23 January 2018.

[5] “Libyan Islamists go to Syria to "help" the revolution”, by Daniel Iriarte, ABC (Spain) , Voltaire Network, 22 December 2011. “Free Syrian Army commanded by Military Governor of Tripoli”, by Thierry Meyssan, Voltaire Network, 19 December 2011.

[6] Concerning the history of Daesh and President Erdoğan, refer to Sous nos Yeux, by Thierry Meyssan, editions Demi-lune, 2017.

[7] The Pentagon’s New Map, Thomas P. M. Barnett, Putnam Publishing Group, 2004. “The US military project for the world”, by Thierry Meyssan, Translation Pete Kimberley, Voltaire Network, 22 August 2017.

[8] “Political Islam against China”, by Thierry Meyssan, Translation Pete Kimberley, Voltaire Network, 3 October 2017.

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Speech of Dr. Bashar al-Jaafari during #UN Security Council session on #Syria

15 Feb 2018

Syria’s Permanent Representative to the UN Dr. Bashar al-Jaafari stressed that the Syrian people are the only ones to determine the future of their country, reaffirming Syria’s commitment to the final statement of the Syrian National Dialogue Congress in Sochi.

Al-Jaafari made his remarks during a UN Security Council meeting to discuss the situation in Syria, pointing that the US presence in Syria violates the UNSC Resolution No. 2254 which provides for preserving Syria’s sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity, not to mention the 2nd article of the UN Charter which stipulates for respecting sovereign equality of all UN members, mutual non-use of military force, and non-interference in other countries’ internal affairs.

He regretted that the UN special envoy for Syria Staffan de Mistura, in his briefing, has overlooked the presence of US and Turkish forces on the Syrian territory, noting that there is no provision in the UN Charter that justifies intervention in any state’s internal affairs.

Al-Jaafari said that 29 resolutions on Syria have been adopted by the UN Security Council and all of them stress all parties’ commitment to the Syrian State’s sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity in accordance with the UN Charter and its principles, adding that “We have the right to question the actions taken by the UN Security Council to guarantee these objectives set by the founders in order to achieve peace, security and stability in the world.

He noted that Syria is not the first victim of some UNSC member states’ violation of the UN Charter and the international law, but the suffering of Syria came as a result of the deliberate blindness to previous violations committed over decades.

Al-Jaafari questioned the measures taken by the UN Security Council when some of the UN member states undermined its Charter and deprived the Palestinian people of their right in establishing a Palestinian state with al-Quds as its capital, not to mention the invasion of Iraq, the destruction of Libya, the unlimited support to international terrorism and flagrant intervention in the internal affairs of other member states and the looting of national assets as is the case in several African states.

In addition to their violations of the UN Charter provisions to implement their agendas at the expense of the Syrian people and their future, the US, France and Britain have made every effort to undermine Syria and its people and exploit media to reach this end, distort the reality of what is happening and misleading the public opinion regarding the humanitarian suffering of civilians due to the practices of armed terrorist groups which used them as human shields and controlled schools and hospitals and turned them into military points, jails for abductees and bases for firing mortar shells on safe areas, noting that in the last 20 days Damascus has been targeted with 1000 shells, al-Jaafari added.

He referred to the takfiri Wahhabi fatwas issued to shed the Syrian blood, the facilitations provided to secure the entry of tens of thousands of terrorists and mercenaries from more than 100 states which are UN members through the borders, the establishment of training camps in the neighboring countries and the attempts to introduce these terrorists as “moderate opposition”.

Al-JaafarI said that the former Qatari Prime Minister acknowledged that the states which support terrorism have spent USD 137 billion to assist terrorists, meantime the former US ambassador in Damascus also admitted that the US spent USD 12 billion to support terrorists and change the Syrian government between 2014 and 2017, adding that WikiLeaks uncovered the US anti-Syrian policies since the US-British invasion of Iraq.

He said that the same states supplied the terrorist groups with toxic chemical materials to be used against the innocent civilians after which they fabricated incidents and information and submitted false testimonies to mislead the investigative mechanism and accuse the Syrian government in order to carry out its aggression.

He said that the Syrian government has submitted 136 letters containing valuable information about the terrorists’ possession and use of toxic chemicals, but none has read them.

Al-Jaafari added that these states attempted to justify the repeated attacks conducted by the so-called US-led international coalition on Syrian areas, the latest of which is the illegitimate attack on Syrian popular forces fighting Daesh terrorist organization in the east northern countryside of Deir Ezzor on Feb.8th which clearly shows the reality of this coalition and Washington’s role in supporting Daesh terrorists, reminding the UN member states of the US-led international coalition’s airstrikes on Syrian military positions in al-Thardah Mountain in Deir Ezzor and their deliberate destruction of 90% of al-Raqqa province.

He affirmed that the main task of US-led coalition is supporting terrorists in Syria.

He said that these states once again violated the UN Charter provisions when they stood silent watching the repeated Israeli attacks on the Syrian territories, the most recent of which is the Israeli aggression on February 10, 2018 and it was justified by the US representative to be in retaliation for Iran deploying a drone over the occupied Palestine which is a groundless allegation.

This is not the first time that Israeli occupation forces launch an attack against Syria’s sovereignty. It has always breached the sovereignty of my country till its warplane was recently shot down by a Syrian missile over the Occupied Palestinian territories, he added.

Another evidence on these countries’ violations is preventing the UN Security Council from issuing statements to condemn terrorist organizations’ attacks targeting with 1000 rocket and mortar shells the residential neighborhoods, suburbs, diplomatic missions, service facilities and churches in Damascus and other cities, claiming the lives of dozens of civilians and injuring hundreds of others.

They circulated the term of besieged areas when tackling the situation in the Eastern Ghouta in the countryside of Damascus and overlooked the reality that the inhabitants of the Eastern Ghouta are besieged from inside by the armed terrorist groups which use the civilians as human shields, seize humanitarian assistance materials and sell them to needy people just like what happened in the eastern neighborhoods of Aleppo city.

The US decision on military intervention in Syria was illegitimate and unilateral under pretext of fighting Daesh terrorist organization, then Washington declared that it wants to establish military bases to preserve the strategic security and the security of its allies and later on it made clear that they are in Syria to create armed militias which will control oil, gas and water resources and establish a mini-state, after which it said that the US will maintain its presence in Syria even after the eradication of Daesh, said al-Jaafari, adding that the same justifications were used by the US to preserve its presence in Iraq.

On the Syrian National Dialogue Congress in Sochi, al-Jaafari welcomed Russia’s efforts, particularly President Vladimir Putin, to host and organize this event, noting that the Congress has proved once again that the political process in Syria would not be possible unless it is led by the Syrians themselves without any foreign intervention.

He stressed that the Sochi Congress’ final statement forms a fundamental basis for the political track and a solid foundation for any upcoming dialogue or talks.

Al-Jaafari reiterated Syria’s adherence to any political solution that helps stop the shedding of Syrian blood, preserve its sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity and guarantee the Syrian people’s right to determine the future of their country through intra-Syrian dialogue.

15 Feb 2018

Video of the speech in Arabic -

Syria - New 'Chemical Weapons' Fake Planned - Chlorine Though Will Not Do

During the seven years of the war on Syria several accusations were made that the government that it had used 'chemical weapons' against the attacking extremists. The Syrian government denied to have ever released any chemicals. The implausible to murky 'evidence' of such incidents always came from foreign paid  propaganda groups and extremists on the ground. They were likely staged to incriminate the government and to thereby induce military attacks by foreign states.
We currently see several reports which in their combination look like preparations for of another fake 'chemical weapon' incident.
On February 13 the Russian Center for the Reconciliation of Opposing Sides in Syria noted a warning of an upcoming false-flag 'chemical attack' incident:
"On the evening of February 12, a resident from the Serakab settlement located in the Idlib province called the Russian Center for Reconciliaition to notify (the center) about a chemical weapons attack that could be staged to provide footage for a foreign TV channel," the statement reads. "The caller said that earlier on February 12, Jabhat al-Nusra members travelling in three cars had brought more than 20 chlorine gas cylinders and personal protective equipment to Serakab," the Center added."According to the caller, members of the local While Helmets branch wore personal protective equipment while rehearsing first aid provision to civilians suffering from chemical poisoning," the Russian Center said.
"The caller pointed out that all the proceedings had been filmed by professional reporters who used a mic with the CNN logo, while commenting on the actions being taken by the White Helmets," the statement said, adding that in between takes, the reporters had consulted with some people over a satellite telephone in English.
The White Helmets are a mostly British funded propaganda organization embedded with Hayat Tahreer Al-Sham, the current incarnation of al-Qaeda in Syria which rules Idleb governorate. The head of al-Qaeda in Syria, Abu Jaber Al-Sheikh, lauded (videoalternative) the White Helmets as the "hidden soldiers of our revolution".
CNN is currently embedded with al-Qaeda and is producing White Helmets propaganda in Idleb governorate:
CNN Today‏ @cnntoday - 12:23 AM - 14 Feb 2018
EXCLUSIVE report from @arwaCNN in #Idlib Syria and @holmescnn has #TheBreakdown on more fighting in #Ghouta #Afrin #DeirEzzor
The Russian warning is not the only sign that another fake chemical weapon attack is coming up.
The Israeli government is pushing "top secret" disinformation into the public which preemptively blames the Syrian government for any upcoming incident. It is also attempts to influence foreign governments on the issue:
According to a "Top secret" cable sent to Israeli ambassadors earlier this week, Israel fears that the Assad regime will use the chemical weapons it still has left in a way which might spill over to Israeli territory. The contents of the cable were shared with me by senior Israeli officials.
[T]he strategic division in the Israeli ministry of foreign affairs sent the 'Top Secret" cable to 15 Israeli embassies around the world, including in Washington.
One of the more unusual instructions in the cable was to pass a strong message regarding the Israeli concern that the chemical weapons left at the disposal of the Assad regime might be used against rebel forces ...
On Tuesday the White Helmets were again trying to get more foreign powers involved in fighting the Syrian government:
France should stop talking about red lines and focus on real action to persuade the main actors in Syria’s conflict to agree a ceasefire, [Abdulrahman Almawwas], the vice-president of the Syria Civil Defence, or “White Helmets”, said on Tuesday.
Speaking after meeting senior French officials, including Macron’s chief diplomatic adviser, Almawwas said France needed to put pressure on the main protagonists, such as pushing for a no-fly zone, even though he acknowledged France had few options.
Only hours after Abdulrahman Almawwas spoke with Macron’s chief diplomatic adviser, the French president issued a statement which set up a 'red line' trap:
“On chemical weapons, I set a red line and I reaffirm that red line,” Macron told reporters. “If we have proven evidence that chemical weapons proscribed in treaties are used, we will strike the place where they are made.”“Today, our agencies, our armed forces have not established that chemical weapons, as set out in treaties, have been used against the civilian population.”
Setting red lines is a trap for oneself as it includes an invitation to others to break them. Anyone can release 'chemical weapons' in insurgent controlled areas in Syria and blame the Syrian government - thus potentially triggering the French 'red line'. So far though France has "not established" that a real chemical weapon incident ever happened. Of note in Macron's statement was also the threat to strike at "the place where they are made". That place would likely be outside of Syria. The French Foreign Ministry noted Macorn's inconvenient choice of words, intervened and today "clarified" his remarks:
France's foreign minister on Wednesday sought to clarify his government's position on the use of chemical weapons in Syria saying that Paris would only strike if the attacks were lethal and carried out by government forces.
"(The president) confirmed that he would proceed to military strikes against regime installations if there was a new use of chemical weapons by Bashar al-Assad's forces when these attacks are lethal and regime's responsibility is proven," Jean-Yves Le Drian told lawmakers.
Al-Qaeda will have no problem to create a "lethal" chemical weapon attack. They have killed ten-thousands of Syrian without any remorse. To "prove" that the Syrian government did it will be the task of the White Helmets and its CNN and Atlantic Council collaborators.
Chlorine though will not do.

Source: Chlorine - Properties (vid) - bigger
In their last attempt to smear the Syrian government for using 'chemical weapons' those organizations hyped the remains of a few 107mmm rockets which allegedly carried chlorine gas and were fired against the Takfiri held areas of east-Ghouta. (Unmentioned were the thousands of grenades fired by east-Ghouta Takfiris against civilians in Damascus.)
If those rockets had held chlorine they would have had no effect on anyone.
Chlorine gas is hardly ever deadly. It is 2.5 times heavier than air with a distinct yellow-green color and a strong bleach odor. Chlorine gas will only kill those submerged in a high concentration cloud. If one sees or smells it one simply walks away from the cloud and thereby stays safe. Chlorine was used as the first chemical weapon in World War I because it would creep downwards into deep enemy ditches. Even then it was soon found to be ineffective as a weapon and replaced with other chemicals.
That a few rockets with a few pounds of chlorine would have no 'lethal' effect is also obvious from official reports during the U.S. occupation of Iraq:
The first documented chlorine attack was Oct. 21, 2006, in Ramadi, a Multinational Force Iraq spokeswoman said. In that attack, terrorists drove a car bomb with 12 120 mm mortar shells and two 100-pound chlorine tanks. The attack wounded three Iraqi policemen and a civilian.The first attack that received media attention was at Taji, where terrorists remotely detonated a 5-ton truck packed with 100 pounds of high explosives and two 1-ton chlorine tanks. The attack killed one civilian and wounded 114 others.
The most recent attack was June 3 against Forward Operating Base Warhorse, in Diyala province. Again, a suicide car bomber launched the attack, and officials estimate it included two tanks of chlorine and 1,000 pounds of explosive. The cloud from the attack blew over Warhorse and sickened 65 servicemembers, Multinational Force Iraq officials said. All were examined and returned to duty. 
A Multinational Force Iraq spokesman said there are anecdotal reports that while the blasts from the attacks have killed, few have died solely from the gas. “We hear that an old man and some babies may have been killed, but we can’t pin that down,” the spokesman said.
If literally tons of chlorine were used in attacks in Iraq with no deadly effect how could a few pounds on top of some small rockets kill anyone?
On February 2 the U.S. Secretary of Defense Mattis acknowledge the practical uselessness of chlorine by putting it into a "separate category" than other chemical weapons. He also noted that he has no evidence of any such weapon use:
Q: Is there evidence of chlorine gas weapons used -- evidence of chlorine gas weapons?SEC. MATTIS: I think that's, yes --
Q: No, I know, I heard you.
SEC. MATTIS: I think it's been used repeatedly. And that's, as you know, a somewhat separate category, which is why I broke out the sarin as another -- yeah.
Q: So there's credible evidence out there that both sarin and chlorine --
SEC. MATTIS: No, I have not got the evidence, not specifically. I don't have the evidence.
What I'm saying is that other -- that groups on the ground, NGOs, fighters on the ground have said that sarin has been used. So we are looking for evidence. I don't have evidence, credible or uncredible.
NGOs and "fighters on the ground" claimed to have evidence of chemical weapon attacks. But just like the French agencies and armed forces Macron mentioned, Mattis and the DoD have none.
The Takfiris of al-Qaeda, the White Helmets propaganda shop and its media acolytes may well prepare, as the Russians report, another fake chemical attack stunt. The Israeli government is busy preparing the public relations ground. But the French government, having trapped itself with 'red line' nonsense, then set the mark higher at 'lethal' attacks.
Chlorine is, as shown above, hardly ever lethal. But al-Qaeda will have no qualms about coming up with a few corpses to prove the 'lethality' of a fake incident.
We also have seen how, with some outside help, a harmless chlorine release can be faked in an allegedly deadly sarin attack. Such happened in April 2017 in the Khan Sheikhun incident.
Multiple early on-the-ground reports by local witnesses and Turkish officials spoke of chlorine release and chlorine affected patients. Only a day later were these claims turned into an alleged "sarin attack". Real evidence was never obtained from the al-Qaeda ruled grounds where that incident happened. A discredited investigation was inconclusive. It claimed some "sarin-like substance" may have been involved but it could not even explain why more than 50 casualties of the claimed incident arrived at far away hospitals BEFORE it had happened at all:
The admission times of the [hospital] records range between 0600 and 1600 hours. Analysis of the aforementioned medical records revealed that in 57 cases, patients were admitted in five hospitals before the incident in Khan Shaykhun (at 0600, 0620 and 0640 hours).
One has to agree with Secretary of Defense Mattis on this - some corpses shown to CNN by "NGOs" and "fighters on the ground" are not real evidence. Neither are discredited investigations. If the al-Qaeda Takfiris and its supporters want to come up with some believable fake they must set their standard much higher.
Posted by b on February 15, 2018 at 11:35 AM | Permalink
Interesting that France has apparently declared that it will only attack if Syria is at fault. If Saudi Arabia is at fault, for example, or if the US is at fault, etc., France will not attack. If that is how they are putting it it's a blatant invitation for a pretext.
Meanwhile Russia will continue to sit back and enjoy the roasting and carve-up of Syria, while maintaining it's inside track (it hopes) as dealmaker....
Posted by: paul | Feb 15, 2018 12:11:00 PM | 2
When Is There Going to be Accountability for US Wars and Aggression?
From Global Research:
Posted by: ben | Feb 15, 2018 12:26:16 PM | 3
I sincerely doubt that France will attack the Syrian government. The US, Uk, and Israel are a different matter. Russia and Iran need to show some spine and close Syria’s airspace.
Posted by: Alaric | Feb 15, 2018 12:28:32 PM | 4
thanks b... there are a few things about this particular story worth discussing in greater depth..
israel is sending out "top secret" disinformation into the public which preemptively blames the Syrian government"... the white helmets continue to be a tool of the west - paid by the west for propaganda purposes and doing the same...
when the usa under trumps leadership bombed the syrian airport in the vicinity where the Khan Sheikhun incident took place, the usa never had any proof... the usa never had any proof for saddams weapons of mass destruction either... the usa doesn't need proof.. it is almost as if israel tells the usa what to do and they do it!
what is obvious is how the usa, uk, ksa, israel, turkey and france in particular - have been intent on regime change... they are not honest brokers in any of this.. that is very clear to anyone following this long story on the war on syria..
so why would it be any different here? it is true russia has played an alternative role to this madness... israel seems especially prone to want to make the middle east a huge war zone... all for what??
i remember that video from a few years ago showing the white helmet folks play acting with the kids in the school room.. why is the west so intent on regime change in syria and war 24/7??? where is any leadership that can stand apart from the indoctrination that israel wants to feed to foment war 24/7? where is the sanity? not everyone is fooled by this fact, i would venture to guess many more people are not believing in it... if the west is intent on war 24/7 in faraway lands, they are not going to get a pass with lies, propaganda and cheap disinformation...
Posted by: james | Feb 15, 2018 12:54:05 PM | 5
ben @3:
Accountability?   LOL   Many here share the same frustration, but it will only happen until someone with a bigger stick walks into the scene AND it's in their interest to do so.   If Rick Sterling is looking for the American public to rise and take command, he's going to be waiting for a long, long time.   IMO, the spark that gets the American public off their duff, is when economic hardship reaches to an intolerable level.   IIRC, the Yemen protests started with the rise in prices of food and someone decided enough was enough.   Unfortunately for them, the protests/riots ignited a civil war which was later taken over by foreign powers.
Posted by: Ian | Feb 15, 2018 1:09:24 PM | 6
France has a large and influential Jewish population. Macron is pandering to them. The allegation of chem weapons is reintroduced every time the SAA is poised for a major victory. Zionists and friends hope to get someone else to stop that progress and to hit Syria. It’s too risky for Israel to do so now that Syria hit its jets - best to let the goys die trying.
Posted by: Alaric | Feb 15, 2018 1:14:49 PM | 7
The US has used the R2Protect on numerous occasions along with various coalition parties, however in order to be legal R2Protect must have the backing of the UNSC, without a veto being used.Now we have France the UK and the US stating they will act militarily against Syria without UNSC approval, International law is surely dead, or it will only be used against states without the means to fight back against US aggression.
There is a fundamental contradiction written into the UN Charter on the one hand, article 2[1] states; "The organization is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its Members.” But, on the other hand, Article 23 of the Charter grants five of its Members permanent seats on the Security Council, and Article 27 gives each of them a veto over decisions of the Council. Clearly, all Members are equal, but some Members are more equal than others. Thus all five veto wielding powers the US, UK, France, China and Russia AND their friends are above International law, for all time. So that should all four veto wielding members gang up on the US, the US simply veto's the Resolution it is then consigned to the memory hole.
Academic lawyers in their thousands may protest that taking military action against Iraq for instance was illegal because it lacked proper authorisation by the Security Council, but it is of no consequence in the real world when there is no possibility of the UK, or its political leadership, being convicted for taking such action. It is meaningless to describe an action as illegal if there is no expectation that the perpetrator of the action will be convicted by a competent judicial body. In the real world, an action is legal unless a competent judicial body rules that it is illegal.
Posted by: harrylaw | Feb 15, 2018 1:21:07 PM | 8
Mao Tse-Tung was right, 'Power does grow out the barrel of a gun'.
Posted by: harrylaw | Feb 15, 2018 1:24:55 PM | 9
@8/9 harrylaw... here is a quote from a pdf from yesterday on the previous thread..
"The financial world is not a group of geeks in front of computers, it is not
polite clerks in banks and not even traders at stock exchanges. The financial
world is aircraft carriers, nuclear-powered submarines, tanks, fighters and
helicopters. It is infiltrators and assassins, snipers and spies, politicians
and public figures. And all of that is only needed to preserve the existing
financial order of the planet, to retain their dominance and even assert
it. The most interesting thing is that despite clear physical signs of such
world order, most people do not even have a slightest idea how everything
functions. And those who dominate, those who created this theatre of the
absurd, need exactly that.

using the bold text for the last line.. hopefully it doesn't screw the whole text up..
Posted by: james | Feb 15, 2018 1:33:54 PM | 10
harrylaw @8:
In all honesty, there's no such thing as International Law. I view it as a guideline. To have International Law, it would require all members to given up their sovereignty and submit to a single World government. There is no way I would condone that reality. The behavior of governments right now, should be enough reason to avoid that reality. Until the unwashed masses have the ability to run away from this wretched hive of scum and villainy, a single authoritative power should be avoided.
Posted by: Ian | Feb 15, 2018 2:06:00 PM | 11 (video)
"CNN's Arwa Damon is back in Idlib (controlled by #Syria/n branch of AQ, HTS). She could not report from there w/out their permission. In this part of her report u see her w/ #WhiteHelmets. Notice how some footage says "courtesy of Hadi Abdallah" who's a known AQ propagandist."
I recently re-read this piece
Going by the US embassy cables, US had brought its Afghanistan crew into Chechnya. Watching some videos on the Chechen "rebels" (Chechen converts to wahabbi, Arabs ect) the propaganda was no different then than it is today. US have been using this tried and true means of regime change with the accompanying propaganda since Afghanistan in the eighties. Russia saw through it with the second Chechen war and developed tactics to neutralize the US and their proxies there. Second Chechen war lasted about nine years.
In just a bit over two years, Russia has made a massive difference in Syria.
perhaps another six months to a year to clean up remaining pockets of US rebels, and then most likely concentrate on US occupation.
Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Feb 15, 2018 2:22:07 PM | 12
Thanks for a timely piece b.
Given that CNN is now embedded with Al-Qaeda (reminiscent of when NPR, National Petroleum Radio, was doing its PR), and the French have declared a pretext for war, I would say that this is an indicator that a move is afoot to have an "event", to trigger a expanded war.
My reasoning is the following: Al-Qaeda is losing the war, the Turks are no longer on the same page as the Empire, the Russian election on March 18th, (causing pause for Mr. Putin), a new moon on March 16th (American troops always seem to move on that celestial event), and the end of the financial quarter, March 31, (signifying a "clearance" sale of military inventory to boost subsequent stock prices).
I can imagine the meeting that is going on currently ongoing between Mr. Tillerson and Mr. Erdogan.
Posted by: Michael | Feb 15, 2018 3:03:54 PM | 13
@13 myself
As an addendum, I should point out that the war against Syria has been very kind to Raytheon. Google Raytheon stock price and look at the 5 year performance. Right now it's doing very well. I just wonder if one could predict wars based upon stock performance.
Posted by: Michael | Feb 15, 2018 3:20:23 PM | 14
harrylaw 9
If William Hinton is largely accurate in his essay ' The Role of Mao T'se Tung' then Mao was correct about many things . Hinton' thesis leaves one wondering did Deng have Lin Piao murdered as he was onto Deng's revisionist purposes .In many ways these events from the China of the early 1970's truly laid the international stage on which we walk .
Posted by: ashley albanese | Feb 15, 2018 3:23:16 PM | 15
The French 'red line' is a set up as the French government aids and abets Al Qaeda in Syria. The next false flag attack is coming that will of course be blamed on the Syrian government.
I hope the Eastern nations have learned a lesson to never again trust the West.
Posted by: AriusArmenian | Feb 15, 2018 3:38:12 PM | 16
Dear Michael | Feb 15, 2018 3:03:54 PM | 13
There has been no US ambassador to Ankara for months. Bass was a real pain. Edelman couldn't complete his tenure, he was kicked out of the country, Ricciardone was a joke. The image of self-confident superpower US has been tarnished here. The USA is viewed as an extremely hysterical body contaminated with some naughty guys.
Turkish army is training units for 'river crossing' so I guess they will cross the Euphrates into the East. IMHO.
3.5m Syrian refugees in Turkey have to go back (the Canadian guy is showing off he has 25.000 refugees) Turks will not allow another space for Israeli settlers! Palestinians are in Jordan and Lebanon, Syrians are in Turkey. No way! WW3? Turks are ready for it. Because if they allow western plans to go through, they fear it'll be Turkey's turn next anyway.
The US led coalition of proxies (the US is seen as a proxy too) have to decide whether they will push the button for further destruction in the the region or pack up and leave. There is no in between. The NATO, US, EU all have been 'LYING' to the Turks for 70 years. Enough is enough people say here. The coup attempt (a failed one no matter what kind of propaganda circulates against it in the West) was the last straw!
USA cannot stay here. This region is part of the Turkish National Oath. There are post WW1 international agreements including Mosul and Kirkuk regions as well. If there are to be any changes in the status of the region then the Turks will reclaim their Misak-i Milli (pls google for the map). Euphrates Shield, Olive Branch and now there is another front: the Mediterranean Shield, Turkish navy is patrolling the oil rigs around Cyprus. The Turks are also sending clear messages to the US+EU oil companies (Israel): do not sneak up on me. The Turks (chief of staff) have clearly said that they are ready for a new front in the Aegean too. The navy has started to build up in the Aegean.
NATO have been attacking another NATO member, Turkey (military coup, PKK, Daesh, Gulenists). But they circulate propaganda in the west against that (Dictator Erdogan, poor Kurds, journalists are in jail etc.) to keep their public asleep.
Nobody wants the NATO in Turkey anymore. The End. French want conscription. Germans want EU army. They are in panic.
The US doesn't deliver their puppet Gulen to Turks, the US won't stop delivering arms to the PKK.
These are the latest slogans: No more NATO for Turks! No need for it anymore! Nuke Ankara or pack up and leave. Well, the Turks seem to be determined.
Tillerson and Erdogan talks? You don't need to eavesdrop their cozy room. TuAF figther jets are currently flying over Afrin!
This is just the summary of news and feelings I gathered in Turkey. I hope it's useful.
Posted by: ConfusedPundit | Feb 15, 2018 4:13:41 PM | 17
@17 ConfusedPundit
Thank you. It is.
Posted by: Michael | Feb 15, 2018 4:20:47 PM | 18
Google Raytheon stock price and look at the 5 year performance. Right now it's doing very well. I just wonder if one could predict wars based upon stock performance.
Posted by: Michael | Feb 15, 2018 3:20:23 PM | 14
Since the US and its allies have had several wars, and are also in the middle of several more, during the last 5 years, googling the stock price of something like raytheon would only inform one that it certainly seems to have profited from all those wars.
one would still be left with the non-trivial conundrum of distinguishing and separating the effect of recent and on-going wars on the share-price, from any apparent effect from future or hoped-for wars on share-price
Posted by: Keizer | Feb 15, 2018 4:53:00 PM | 19
Wh guy was invited everywhere while in France: tv talkshow, radios...
Posted by: Mina | Feb 15, 2018 5:08:20 PM | 20
No Paul Syria and Russia are winning. From two years ago till today, more and more land area have come under Governement control....FACT FACT FACT suck that
Posted by: col | Feb 15, 2018 5:32:03 PM | 21
ConfusedPundit @17--
Adam Garrie thinks Tillerson's Ankara trip is "Dead on Arrival." He cites a "a lengthy op-ed in the Daily Sabah that's brutally blunt. Garrie also provides an excellent analysis of the Outlaw US Empire's non-quagmire Afghanistan quagmire. The similarity in policy goals between Syria and Afghanistan is striking.
Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 15, 2018 5:35:09 PM | 22
@23 yes, paul’s mission (and his other small caps first name only handles) is to denigrate Russia’s (Pooteen) position every chance he/she gets.. Tiresome but hey, just skip it..
Posted by: Lozion | Feb 15, 2018 7:52:41 PM | 23
“On chemical weapons, I set a red line and I reaffirm that red line,” Macron told reporters. “If we have proven evidence that chemical weapons proscribed in treaties are used, we will strike the place where they are made.”
I think this is the kicker. The last hasty strike was against the supposed launch site of a chemical weapons attack. This would be a strike to the heart of Syrian Administration, again with zero evidence. Most likely it will be a compound with Syrian and Russian officials. Deliberate escalation.
Posted by: rob | Feb 15, 2018 9:19:43 PM | 24
b-Thank you, very informative article, as always!
Posted by: frances | Feb 15, 2018 9:29:14 PM | 25
rob @26--
The chemical precursors that are the components to weaponized chemicals are most often produced by major Western chemical corporations, like DuPont, and are produced in Germany, France, UK, USA, etc., not Syria. If glyphosphate were used as a weapon, should Monsanto get bombed to smithereens? How about napalm's basic ingredients? How about the chemicals that comprise gunpowder? In their most basic essence, all weapons are chemical. Should all chemical weapons be outlawed?

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 15, 2018 9:33:26 PM | 26
karlof1 | Feb 15, 2018 9:33:26 PM | 28
Careful there; gunpowder was originally, potassium nitrate (natual; bat guano), sulphur (natural occurrence), and charcoal.
But, your point is taken...
Posted by: V. Arnold | Feb 15, 2018 9:43:41 PM | 27
As for more NATO/France/US war against ASSAD:
The French can't fly over the part he owns. They will get Russian missiles up their holes.
Are they going to attack on the ground? From Saudi or Jordan?
Maybe they think the Iranians and Iraqis will stand by and watch?
If they do anything, it will be Israeli-style. They'll violate Lebanonese airspace and fire missiles into Damascus, Aleppo, Homs, and various military bases.
But, they will not make war. They can't. They just want to bomb (if they could) and fire missiles.
And at that point, France, NATO, the US are finished in the ME. Done. Kaput.
Russia will seal the airspace and protect the Syrian nation.
China will pour in infrastructure technology and start to rebuild.
There is a moral limit that the warmongers are paused to cross.
France will find itself a pariah in the neighborhood. No one will let France get away with another Libya.
The US is playing a very ill-conceived strategy. It is trying to win a geopolitical game in Syria, reduce its exposure but hold Iraq, step up the war in Afghanistan and spread it against and into Pakistan. All these are to be on-going wars so they contain and tie down Iran. This is not at all an anti-terror strategy.
A big part they would like to accomplish is to destroy Syria. That's to stop Iran connecting to Lebanon. Assad is a side piece. Syria has to go, not just Assad.
The war is by proxies and Syria is (accordingly) Iran. The Syrian War 2.0 is now Iran's borderland war.
That is one of three wars Syria stands for. The other two are the war against Turkey (using Kurds) and the war against Russia in Syria (Israel and the US cannot abide Russia as regional hegemon).
What has been proved is the S-400, S-300, Pantsir and even S-200 could shut down the war if Russia would double or triple the installations, cover all of Syria, all of Lebanon and turn it all on when the warmongers fly.
Posted by: Red Ryder | Feb 15, 2018 9:49:23 PM | 28
@6 Ian
Even if people in the US or elsewhere in the west rise up against their governments, a hypothetical uprising won’t progress beyond chaotic random violence and state repression. Why? With no alternative economic/political system or an inspiring political vision for people to rally around revolution can’t and won’t happen. Many people know what they don’t want...but they do not have a coherent idea of what they do want. End result: Collapse and “failed state” status or, more likely, TPTB in control again.
Besides, the vast majority of people on the internet who babble about revolution are just spouting nonsense and don’t think through what they are saying. The internet is great at providing a dynamic illusion of active engagement when in reality it is isolated individuals sitting and typing stuff on their digital devices and deluding themselves that their pet theories are 100% true and dissenters and critics are all idiots, trolls or spies.
e.g. The people who have convinced themselves that Putin will stop the “coalition” from dividing Syria simply ignore any evidence that might challenge their delusion, or confidently label it fake news and move on. They are victims of the cognitive biases they never take into consideration. Look at the response commentator Paul gets for casting doubt on Putin’s reliability. Doubt is poisonous and must be vanquished at all costs! Critical thinking and applied psychology aren’t very popular in the alt-blogosphere.
The scientific method attempts to disprove a hypothesis. If it can’t be disproven...the theory stands. If that standard were applied here and on other alt and MSM sites...well, there would be howls of of outrage and disbelief and a doubling down on psychic abilities and groupthink in a desperate bid to keep the delusions alive.
Posted by: Temporarily Sane | Feb 15, 2018 10:11:11 PM | 29
Chlorine is lethal if released in cellars or other confined spaces - especially if the victims are hanging upside down from the roof.
(This is what analysis of the Caesar photos indicates may have happened, starting in 2012.)
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Feb 15, 2018 10:27:32 PM | 30
karlof1 | Feb 15, 2018 9:33:26 PM | 28
I take your point that most chemical precursors are made by various industrialised countries in the main for legitimate, peaceful reasons. My comment was regarding the difference between attacking the supposed launch point of those weapons compared to striking the place where chemical weapons are imagined to be produced - "... we will strike the place where they are made.
I do not think Syria has launched any chemical weapon attacks. The Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons confidently confirmed that all such weapons were destroyed back in June 2014.
I think that Macron's statement is part of a new move to suggest that Syria is rebuilding its chemical weapons stockpile as an excuse to attack Syrian forces.
Posted by: rob | Feb 15, 2018 11:38:11 PM | 31
Party in the CIA
Gotta love the classics.
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 16, 2018 12:16:58 AM | 32
Petri Krohn @ 32: You forgot to mention that the gassed victims had all been bludgeoned in the backs of their heads before they were gassed. They could have been dead before the gas was released.
Posted by: Jen | Feb 16, 2018 12:37:52 AM | 33
b - "If the al-Qaeda Takfiris and its supporters want to come up with some believable fake they must set their standard much higher."
What are the odds that evil thinking - devoid of creativity almost by definition, but certainly by recent demonstration - can do better than it has? I don't gamble but in this case I would bet my own money against the ability of this particular evil to improve its game.
So let's parse this. A chemical atrocity occurs. The narrative is full of holes, so people on this side have clarity as to the event. But no matter for the people on the other side, because the propaganda narrative carries all before it, regardless of the facts.
In this sense, the false flag, the hoax event, succeeds.
But in what other sense can it succeed?
So the west has the indoctrinated portion of its populace convinced that somebody is a bad guy and needs to be stomped. And then what? Exactly who is going to stomp what?
This is a the classic illustration of the dog chasing the car - what in the hell is the dog going to with it, if it should even catch it? And how does it even "catch" it?
The US is powerless to go beyond the narrative. We have seen this again and again and again. If it could act, it would act, and it wouldn't even bother to create a narrative for the action - except maybe after the fact, if someone was getting uppity. A story would be spun out by the media, and this would serve. These things can be done to order.
So why is the ground being set for a narrative supporting a false flag - and I accept that it is - when nothing can proceed from the event?
The answer has to do with functional IQ rather more than with cleverness. And the functional IQ of the US and of Israel and of Zionism is destroyed. All that's left is chasing the car.
Or perhaps even as little as barking. While the caravan moves on.
Posted by: Grieved | Feb 16, 2018 12:49:03 AM | 34
Grieved | Feb 16, 2018 12:49:03 AM | 37
The answer has to do with functional IQ rather more than with cleverness. And the functional IQ of the US and of Israel and of Zionism is destroyed.
All that's left is chasing the car.
Really? I see the loss of functional IQ (and I agree) as very dangerous; stupidity goes to war; intellegence finds another way...hopfully...
Posted by: V. Arnold | Feb 16, 2018 1:08:10 AM | 35
@38 V. Arnold
Yes, I agree - except that it takes intelligence to conduct war. Maybe stupidity goes to war, but stupidity loses.
In this age of proxies, we see mini-wars, all the time. And the US loses in every action.
We are watching the decline of the US. By what increments are we watching this, if not by its own failing actions? Each loss diminishes the power of the US - this is the great thing.
These actions are proxy and direct skirmishes that could in other contexts be called full-on wars, but in this age of global luxury are simply maneuvers.
And this is my point, even as I take your point, and very seriously. My point is that if the US had some IQ left it would be horrifically dangerous. Three years ago we thought it had the functional intelligence to be that kind of threat. But today, we see it hemmed in by players such as Russia and China, and Iran - players watching its every move and countering each one with intelligent responses designed (hopefully) to neutralize the potential damage.
This is why commenters here and everywhere get impatient and wonder why these nations don't show a little more cowboy action to thrill them in their armchairs. The answer is that Russia and China are taking the sins of the west onto themselves and absorbing the pain so that the entire world doesn't blow up. And they are doing this so well that we should fall on our knees in gratitude for their high functional IQ in the presence of the crippled and failing US and Israel and Zionism - the once fiercely high IQ brought low by evil, and now the current moron, the dotard.
Posted by: Grieved | Feb 16, 2018 1:31:29 AM | 36
Grieved | Feb 16, 2018 1:31:29 AM | 39
Great response. Thanks. And zero nits to pick... ;-)
Posted by: V. Arnold | Feb 16, 2018 1:53:03 AM | 37
@ Grieved who wrote: "......The answer is that Russia and China are taking the sins of the west onto themselves and absorbing the pain so that the entire world doesn't blow up......."
I agree that many do not see the strategy and sacrifice of the forces aligned against empire and appreciate your pointing it out.
The demise of the latest, and hopeful final empire cannot come soon enough, IMO
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 16, 2018 2:32:32 AM | 38
That CNN report from Idlib was shown last night on Australia's SBS news, following the screening of an equally deceptive "CNN exclusive" two days earlier about the US attack on Syrian forces in Deir al Zour.
What worried me here, is that the WH footage doesn't have to be credible, because the audience will now believe anything. The endless rescreening of a child "Sarin victim", flushed red in the face and gasping for air, while being hosed by the WH, proves this point. Even the dumbos in the white Helmets must realise that Sarin causes paralysis and anoxia, but film of that wouldn't be very convincing, or give the impression that they are saving people.
All they need to do is create a green cloud from the chlorine, and sacrifice a few innocent hostages for the snuff video, and SBS watchers will believe it, and press their leaders to say "enough is enough". The stage is well set.
Posted by: David M | Feb 16, 2018 2:37:32 AM | 39
psychohistorian | Feb 16, 2018 2:32:32 AM | 41
"......The answer is that Russia and China are taking the sins of the west onto themselves and absorbing the pain so that the entire world doesn't blow up......."
Agree. And that point cannot be empathised too much.
Posted by: V. Arnold | Feb 16, 2018 3:07:06 AM | 40
So, same old story, another fake attack to justify more bombing and more death, all this will be ably supported by the likes of CNN with breathlessly fake reporting - MSM journalists, are nothing more than the propaganda arm of the military industrial complex, their career prospects mean more to them than human life and theirr lies have led to the deaths of millions of innocents, they should all be sitting in prison cells serving out life-time sentences for war crimes and genocide - in a just world they would be but, unfortunately WE ARE RULED BY PSYCHOPATHS.
Posted by: Rich | Feb 16, 2018 3:33:15 AM | 41
Grieved, psychohistorian, V. Arnold
The US is now run by the spoilt, debauched, offspring of the empire builders. To compound their problems, both Russia and China are no longer hemmed in by ideology, and both have excellent leadership.
The perfect storm, that will hopefully sink the USS hegemon.
Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Feb 16, 2018 3:36:36 AM | 42
Re: Posted by: rob | Feb 15, 2018 9:19:43 PM | 26
I would bet the Russians have conveyed to Macron in recent days that any French warships, destroyers, Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier? in theatre in the Eastern Mediterranean would be a legitimate target for retaliation by Syria or its allies - Iran and most particularly Russia, should it be a party to a kinetic attack on the Syrian Government.
Those pesky Russian subs have plenty of capable torpedoes do they not?
Speaking of the Charles de Gaulle - where is it anyhow?
Posted by: Julian | Feb 16, 2018 3:54:00 AM | 43
Re: Posted by: Temporarily Sane | Feb 15, 2018 10:11:11 PM | 31
Your are quite right - Syria is done as it used to be and will be further partitioned. If this there is little doubt.
Anyone who thinks Israel will willingly leave the Golan Heights, or indeed will be forced out of the Golan Heights, is delusional. Who will force them out??
Anyone who thinks Turkey will willingly leave the Northern Syrian lands won from the Kurds,, or indeed will be forced out of places like Afrin, is delusional. Who will force them out?
As for Idlib. I think they will leave, reluctantly, but that's not really them, only their all-Qaeda proxies.
Posted by: Julian | Feb 16, 2018 4:16:03 AM | 44
Julian | Feb 16, 2018 4:16:03 AM | 47
Anyone who thinks Turkey will willingly leave the Northern Syrian lands won from the Kurds,, or indeed will be forced out of places like Afrin, is delusional. Who will force them out?
As for Idlib. I think they will leave, reluctantly, but that's not really them, only their all-Qaeda proxies.
Or; sees a different corner and thinks with a different part of their brain...
Posted by: V. Arnold | Feb 16, 2018 5:06:42 AM | 45
Temporarily Sane @31:
I agree that a plan is needed, along with strong leadership to champion and carry it out. However, Western nations really don't need a revolution, unless you consider driving out corruption in government a revolution. IMO, they just need some reforms, a return to Rule of Law, and undo the damages brought about from corruption. Uprisings will occur when economic hardships becomes intolerable, especially when there is deep division within the nation.
Regarding comments of Russia and the prevention of Syria's partition, it's called hope. Very similar to supporters of Obama and Trump. However, I do disagree with Paul. I don't believe Russia is enjoying seeing Syria divvied up. It's a typical case of Realpolitik.
Posted by: Ian | Feb 16, 2018 5:59:53 AM | 46
karlof1 | Feb 15, 2018 5:35:09 PM | 22
Thanks. Good article.
"Dead on Arrival." ? Yes but I think the visit is beneficial to the USA somehow. They need to gain time. Tillerson's visit (including the announcement prior to it) didn't please the public. The talks ended and the public isn't pleased.
Tillerson (US govt) is a duck. He walks like a duck and quacks like a duck. The 1% has all the money and the US policy is therefore their policy. This is the mindset over here.
I think the US policymakers and their allies elsewhere are waiting for the elections in Turkey for an oppurtunity to curb the Erdogan govt. But it's not just up to the Erdogan's govt to decide what the Turks should do about the Syrian crisis.
Meanwhile we were bombarded with some propaganda via the anti-govt. media: 'Israel-TR are friends' and 'Russia-Assad-Iran are supplying weapons to the PKK' 'the USA is a superpower, we cannot challenge them, they made a mistake but we can sort it out'.
Posted by: ConfusedPundit | Feb 16, 2018 6:46:20 AM | 47
There's a lot to like about this plot. And I like all of it, especially the bits no-one is bothering to mention. Skipping over the fact that Jews invented Christianity, wrote and starred in a huge chunk of the screenplay known as the Bible, AND the the fact that post-Biblical "Israel" thinks a gas false flag is a brilliant idea (for someone else to lead), it should be obvious that this particular Crusade is already shaping up to be a howler and it hasn't even begun.
As b points out, the saner members of France's post-Napoleonic Daydream Club are already having second thoughts about committing France to running the Russian gauntlet in Syria.
And who's to blame for that? Well, it's Bibi of course. He's the dork who thought it seemed like a good idea to teach Iran a lesson, last Saturday, by telling the IAF to fly into Syria, humiliate themselves and put Syria's self-defense apparatus on 24/7 Red Alert.
I'm hoping we'll all get to see a 'leaked' copy of Micron's memo to Bibi 'thanking' Him for all his 'help'.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 16, 2018 7:32:40 AM | 48
This is also interesting. Barzani's oil to Erdogan's Turkey and then to Israel.
"OOPS, THEY DID IT AGAIN! A shipment of KRG crude oil departed Dortyol yesterday aboard the MARIKA. She disappeared and then reappeared hours later as a completely new vessel that has ABSOLUTELY ZERO HISTORY. Vessel characteristics match. Now in Ashkelon, Israel."
Posted by: ConfusedPundit | Feb 16, 2018 8:20:31 AM | 49
Like you lot, I don't see France doing anything by itself, but it is in NUTO. They would lead the call to 'DO SOMETHING' at the UN and NUTO will support them whatever, keeping reservations behind closed doors in a locked closet, IMOHO. It's not as if the West hasn't ignored the UN rules before (Kosovo, 1999) so the cat is well and truly out of the bag. What a bunch of non-consensual cherry poppers.
Posted by: et Al | Feb 16, 2018 12:59:03 PM | 50
A day after Tillerson's visit to Turkey the Russian RT comes up with this fake news piece
"BREAKING: Turkey hits Kurds with toxic gas, 6 civilians injured – Syrian media"
Posted by: ConfusedPundit | Feb 16, 2018 6:46:12 PM | 51
ConfusedPundit | Feb 16, 2018 6:46:12 PM | 51
Confused to say the least; the story attributes to the Syrian media as ststed.
Turkish forces engaged in Operation Olive Branch against Kurdish militias in the northwest of Syria have used gas, Syrian state media SANA reports. At least six civilians have been hospitalized.t
Posted by: V. Arnold | Feb 16, 2018 10:32:19 PM | 52
RT fake news seriously undermines credibility. Turks seemed happy to be friends with the Russians but they don't like imposition and are having second thoughts about Putin. TR FM's tweet criticise RT. Sana's report causes a problem. Some Turks want govt. to mend ties with Assad and this option was gaining grounds in the country. Sana's report forces people to stick with Erdogan's narrative: Assad is a murderer. Other Syrian efforts are seen as a call for help but this one is no good. Syria and Russia lost a lot of PR points yesterday.

The Jerusalem Post follows the suit (Turks like this one because it just confirms that Israel is a hostile entity)
Kurdish YPG: Turkish army hit village in Syria's Afrin with suspected gas
Posted by: ConfusedPundit | Feb 17, 2018 2:34:52 AM | 53
I am afraid the resident pro-turkish troll a.k.a. confused pundit has achieved his task of getting the conversation nowhere. Given that the Turkish media are the biggest peddlers of Assad the chemist and barrel bomber meme, it is probably too bad they were hit by their own medicine, hahaha :D
Posted by: BG | Feb 17, 2018 6:03:27 AM | 54
A confused pundit that does't give a fuck about what regime he lives under according to one of his first posts here at moa. BG @54 lays out the basics.
Fuck off CP.
Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Feb 17, 2018 6:22:36 AM | 55
BG & Peter AU 1
My opinions are based on 'facts'. My debates are based on 'facts'. I'm also open minded. Correct me when necessary. Truth sets all of us free.
There are 2 main media camps in Turkey: pro and anti-Erdogan.
TBH, I'm happy with neither. There are 2 main categories of pro-Erdogan media: those who have world class reporting style and those who are, well, headcases. The latter justify their ridiculous reporting style by pointing their finger at some national and international media outlets who are hilarious themselves. It's a troll fighting. Check this one out: French 24 reports from Kurdish town of Manbij. In this particular case the French 24 is no better than the worst stupid media outlet you can think of. Manbij is actually 90% Arabic town. And that's a FACT! So how do you explain F24's fake reporting? Is it not 'fake'? No because the French make good wines?
AFP, Reuters, US media, all frequently report in the same manner as the French 24.
These news sources have self-proclaimed credibility 'imposed' on you. They have shareholders too. And because of the pressure, imposition, they deserve respect without any question? I'm afraid I'm not the kind of person who yields to such rubbish. Tell me it is a propaganda effort and I can understand that, but if you pretend you report on such and such 'principles'... For God's sake, get lost. In my book, what they are doing is called a cunning act.
So, I know SANA is Assad's propaganda channel. Fair enough. SOHR is, well, OTT. Maybe it's because the staff have once been abducted by aliens or something. RT boosts Sana's fake news. JP relays it too. So obviously, coinciding with Tillerson's meeting with Turkish officials, the Rus+SR guys were a bit upset and wanted show the Turks their teeth perhaps? The last sentence is my me speculating.
I don't understand why am I wrong in pointing this out? Where's any trolling in it? Have you guys gone out of your minds? Or are you trolls yourselves? I am NOT. Dream on.
Posted by: ConfusedPundit | Feb 17, 2018 7:36:20 AM | 56
@56 confused pundit.. the problem as i see it cp, is that the turkish media is a very poor source for being educated on what is going on with regard to syria... in fact, as an outsider who traveled to turkey in 2012 and loved turkey and it's people, i can say erdogan has had a negative influence on the affairs of turkey and on the openness of it's media... the fact that Enis Berberoglu has been given a jail sentence for revealing the military arms being sent to syria ought to tell you all you need to know about just how open erdogans gov't is! in fact, erdogan has been responsible for much of the mayham in syria, in spite of his pretensions...
erdogan is a much bigger problem for turkey then feto or gulen and all that... he has pushed turkey in a direction which i think historians will look back on as unfavourable to the best interests of turkey... he also seems intent on forcing a particular religious ideology that is not inclusive either... the fact he wants to silence any opposition with jail sentences, or threats of legal actions are all very bad signs to anyone who has a modicum of detachment here... sorry confused pundit, but i tend to agree with @54 bg an @55 peter in that it is hard to view you as objective in any of this here! it would be like me saying the same of erdogan!!
Posted by: james | Feb 17, 2018 1:39:01 PM | 57
Dear james | Feb 17, 2018 1:39:01 PM | 57
I wish I could replace Erdogan with Elvis Presley.
But I can't.
I can't wake German people up either. Nor can I give FED to an American. I can't take the Swedish media from foreigners and give it back to the Swedish people either. I can't help Soros topple Netanyahu nor can I help the latter against the current attacks of the former.
Erdogan is not an Elvis but he is not as bad as he is depicted in the West either. He is the good guy for the local people. He is the bad one overseas. That is why he is under constant attack, not because he is a bad guy locally. He just doesn't bow to the guys the US+EU people do.
I'm glad you have been to Turkey. I have spent some years abroad myself. I know Asia, US, EU, ME. I can compare countries, cultures, politics, and their people.
I think one problem Erdogan cannot solve is this: International PR. But that's utopic considering the fact that the international media is controlled by a group of Peruvians or was it Senegalese? Anyway.
"Will Erdogan Send in Assassins to Kill Europe’s Leaders?" - Michael Rubin
"Biggest impediment to finish the war against ISIS is Turkey" - David Ignatius
"Turkey's Erdogan is a criminal. Our foreign policy should treat him as such." - Michael Rubin
"Stand Up to Erdogan’s Brutality
The Turkish president has the insolence to style his ethnic-cleansing campaign ‘Operation Olive Branch.’"Bernard-Henri Lévy
The western public opinion cannot survive above pressure. Take yourself for example, you like CHP's leader. He is actually a puppet. A gang member. A thief. A liar. A snake. A fascist. But you like him. I wonder who does his PR?
Erdogan has pushed Turkey in the wrong direction? In what direction? People call it war of independence here. I think the US and EU people should do the same! You have to render unto Erdogan his due! What alternative direction would you prefer, Turkey should remain as a vassal state? And I'm a Turkish troll if I tell the truth?
No, he doesn't want to silence any opposition with jail sentences! What makes you think so?
Somebody was jailed for running a Nazi website in Germany. Is that a crime? But Erdogan cannot jail an agent who got involved in the coup in Turkey? That's capitulations for the Ottoman Empire. Where is Udo? Where is Jörg Haider? Where are the nazi killers of Turkish shopowners? All died but one? In the West the dissidents, whistleblowers are murdered, they are not put in jail. There are hundreds of cases. Erdogan didn't kill them! You have real Erdogans over there, this one over here is rather docile I'm telling you. Erdogan is not the issue, the problem in the West is that they don't have a puppet and they can't admit that, they just want to hide behind ridiculous excuses.
No, Erdogan has NOT been responsible for much of the mayham in Syria. That is the most ridiculous claim I have ever heard. It's not because of some plan exluding Erdogan, it's not because of Gulf money and US weapons collected from all over the world, it's not because of Assad, it's not because of Israel, Iran, Syria, Russia but because of Erdogan? It's not because of the PKK who grabbed 30% of the land, invaded Afrin which has Turkmen-Arab majority, Manbij with overwhelming Arab majority, Tal Abyad with 98% Turkmen majority but because of Erdogan? It's not because of the high ranking Israeli observers who are presently stationed along with the Americans in each of their bases? You are either pulling my leg or there is too much propaganda in your turf. LOL.
Now could you please tell me what you think about the French 24 case I mentioned above @ 56? BTW, Erdogan is not French. Thank you in advance. Cheers.

Posted by: ConfusedPundit | Feb 17, 2018 5:47:24 PM | 58

@58 confused pundit...
thanks... lets break apart some of your post.. the quotes on erdogan are all from jewish last names - i guess they write in the nyt, wapo, or what have you in the usa, or israel.... they could just as easily say the same thing on netanyahu, but i doubt they do.. in fact, i admired erdogan when he challenged the flotilla that went into gaza - mari maurana, or whatever it was called... at the time it was clear he was not a fan of israels apartheid system... i admired him for that - back in 2010 or whenever...
but now, you will notice erdogan thrives on throwing countless turkish people, whether they are in the media, in political opposition, or teachers and ordinary people he thinks are a part of the gulen network.. it is just like an endless witch hunt! and however his fans in turkey want to praise him - we are going to have to agree to disagree with his overall agenda here, and especially as regards syria...
as for the media in france - i take a very dim view on france at this point.. macron is just a stooge for the empire - usa/uk/israel.. it's media is beholden to these same interests.. i would use a very long pole touching anything french media has to say on anything, but especially on anything to do with the middle east, or turkey...
hopefully this suffices! cheers james
Posted by: james | Feb 17, 2018 6:36:15 PM | 59